Original title: Acediajc's False Ban - I didn't break any rules.

*I'd just like to say before you read that this is a False ban appeal (for the server and evilcastle) and a Staff Member report for Acediajc.

Minecraft Username:

Finnay

Why you were banned:

"Being flat out rude."

 Screenshot: https://gyazo.com/334dceb32df2eab2a56a18ae3c29774a

What were you doing last on the server:

/warp evilcastle2 event.

Why you think you should be pardoned early (Please keep this factual. We understand you are sorry that you got banned so please stick with the facts): < sorry!

> Playing evilcastle with Sgt_Morgan95;

> He has an infinity 1 TimeLord Staser;

> Acediajc takes it from Sgt because he thought it was a creative item;

> I get confused as to how Acediajc even came to the conclusion that it was a creative item as you can enchant infinity 1 on vanilla MC without cheats and that the gun is craftable (pretty easily actually);

> Acediajc didn't bother to do any research before removing it from Sgt's inventory - after I questioned him as to why he took it, he said he's looking into it;

> if you don't know, surely you would find out before taking from him while in the middle of evilcastle? < @Acediajc

> I then said to Acediajc after he returned Sgt's TimeLord Staser that I will be going to report him for abusing his /inven power? which I am;

> He then asked me not to threaten him, and technically I didn't because I AM actually reporting him;

> Even if I did threaten to report him and didn't go through with it, I'm not breaking any rules, no where does it say that I'm not entitled to say to staff that I'm going to report them?

> I then made a comment about admins that don't know what they're doing (not mentioning his name once) and he then banned me for being rude, even though I never mentioned his name in that comment ever;

> He made an incorrect assumption that I made the comment about him and even if I did mean him, which he cannot know as I never mentioned his name, he cannot ban on an assumption. Let's take an example - a hacker killed somebody on the server and they called him out for it. Without evidence of him cheating, he cannot be banned?

> It's the exact same concept, making an incorrect assumption that leads to a ban is called a FALSE BAN.

Now time to clear a few things up before people comment:

> if you're thinking that because, according to Acediajc, I'm being flat out rude to him I should be banned - you're incorrect as the messages I had written break no rules, and if I can get banned for not breaking a rule, then remove the rules.     .....?

> A false ban is when you ban e.g without evidence / because you want to (when the players haven't broken the rules).

> I've never broken an evilcastle rule (I think), so I'd love to know why or how I got banned, with evidence. I think Acediajc banned me after this whole situation, but I'm not sure - would be nice to know.

If you think that I am incorrect about what I have said in the above (relating to Acediacj), then please ask one of the staff members with access to the server chat logs to provide evidence.

I don't feel as if this behaviour is acceptable by a staff member on such a reputable server. I see a lot of work has gone into creating this Mod and I am surprised to have experienced this.

Sorry that this isn't exactly factual  but I needed to get down every bit of information as this is also a staff member report.

Thanks,

Finnay.

The reason Ace got confused about the weapon is the lore 

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As you can see, it says "From Creative" in it. 

This is caused by a bug from shift-clicking the item out of the crafting inventory, which caused the confusion.

As for the rest of the report, I'll leave that to higher up staff.

Quoted From: dhi_awesome >>

The reason Ace got confused about the weapon is the lore 

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As you can see, it says "From Creative" in it. 

This is caused by a bug from shift-clicking the item out of the crafting inventory, which caused the confusion.

As for the rest of the report, I'll leave that to higher up staff.

 

 Ok - he still should have done or asked another colleague why that is happening before removing it without a warning whilst in the middle of Evilcastle. This therefore affects us players as it could be the lead to our death? It's not our fault that he doesn't know about that, which is suprising as he is a member of staff and you would expect them to know that, like you? It's almost like we're getting punished for something that is completely out of our control - seems like incorrect behaviour.

Thanks for your help and reply.

He took it to show us in the staff chat, so he did "ask another colleague".

He thought that it had been stolen, so he took it until he learnt about the bug, and then returned it (as you catalogued above).

Not everyone knows every bug, as there are quite a lot and it means that it can be hard to remember them all. 

And getting the weapon to not say From Creative is within control, you just have to manually remove the item from the table, like you put items into it.

 I'm happy that he asked but the way he went about it should be have been different - not mid evilcastle that could cause your death without warning you?

I understand that knowing all bugs can be difficult task, but as a staff member, you are dealt with that task and being able to answer most questions should be an aim of all of yours - I hope it is.

As newer players of the Dalek Mod, we don't expect there to be bugs. We came into this thinking that it was a well-respected polished mod, that has a lot to offer. Don't get me wrong, the mod is great and I enjoy it a lot but you cannot expect new players to know about these bugs. So in this case, it was more-or-less out of our control.

Maybe I have the incorrect mindset and maybe I need to come into these servers will a completely open mind, and be ready for anything. - I guess I have learnt something from this recent disappointment.

Edited out per request. -Site moderator 

Seeing as how I couldn't edit my post here:

[Public] Please explain how you got a creative weapon?

[Public] Nop

[Public] its made

[Public] and you can enchant them

[Public] lol u can enchant infinity

[Public] ?!?!?!

[Public] so i want it back

[Public] xdd

[Public] it true

[Public] cmon Acediajc

[Public] LOL

[Public] ur an admin

[Public] as i enchanted that legitly

[Public] Acediajc

[Public] Ace

[Public] you better reply

[Public] he stole my gun

[Public] otherwise ill report you for /inven abuse

[Public] What do you think about the new doctor?

[Public] he did everything legit

[Public] Finnay Please don't threaten me.

[Public] I am checking things

[Public] Saying i will report you is completely fine

[Public] Lol

[Public] cuz i can

[Public] You can report me if youd like

[Public] you dont want to be reported

[Public] dont abuse

[Public] lol, it's hard

[Public] I am checking why a user has a creative item

[Public] Lol

[Public] Finnay

[Public] :laughing:

[Public] Go ahead and report me please

[Public] :slight_smile:

[Public] you can enchang infinity

[Public] LOL

[Public] It's a staff job, buddy :slight_smile:

[Public] i made the gun yesterday

[Public] u can make them the recipie on the forums

[Public] i want my enchants back

[Public] Acedia, can you please help me, my tardis is suck in a materialisation. ID 932

[Public] hes busy doctor110311

[Public] Ace, what is the item? I have Not Enough Items, I can check if that's craftable

[Public] Sure doctor I can assist

[Public] It is craftable

[Public] The item jsut says stolen from creative.

[Public] how do you kill a weeping angel?

[Public] Thank you :slight_smile:

[Public] cool thanks now return it

[Public] hit it

[Public] dos mine say that check mine

[Public] oh nm i thought it wasnt losing hp

[Public] best weapon is a picaxe when killing a weeping angel

[Public] how do we get the timelord title

[Public] thanks :laughing:

[Public] wtf

[Public] thank you

[Public] only beta, Donater, vip, etc can have custom titles

[Public] are davros chair craftibel yet/

[Public] is*

[Public] oh, are you sure? :laughing:

[Public] you would think that an admin know what they're on about

[Public] i guess not

[Public] oh aperently i was mistaken, the command it /set-title add (tilte)




Finnay if you notice the event was between myself and SGT. You did not say you would report me after I gave it back you in fact threatened to report me for doing my job unless I did something you wanted.

You A) Had no standing in the conversation as it was a staff matter to handle. So A You broke that rule.
B) You basically said do X or I will do Y.. AKA a threat. 
C) You were flat out sarcastic and rude so my ban message was correct.
D) You didn't even know the reason I took the weapon temporarily. You were just spamming about enchantments in a passive aggressive way against me with sarcastic clearly rhetorical comments. 
E) The item said from creative there for what was I to think? 
F) I was going to let it go but you made the final shot at me and insulted me  after the situation was done which was the final stray
G) Even now you make passive aggressive comments at the staff members "Maybe I have the incorrect mindset and maybe I need to come into these servers will a completely open mind, and be ready for anything. - I guess I have learnt something from this recent disappointment."


Please stop making passive aggressive comments and fix your attitude. Thank you and have a wonderful time on the DMU :)

Thanks for your reply.

Here is what I said in the conversation:

[Public] lol u can enchant infinity

[Public] xdd

[Public] cmon Acediajc

[Public] LOL

[Public] ur an admin

[Public] otherwise ill report you for /inven abuse

[Public] you better reply

[Public] Saying i will report you is completely fine

[Public] cuz i can

[Public] you can enchang infinity

[Public] LOL

[Public] you dont want to be reported

[Public] dont abuse

[Public] cool thanks now return it

[Public] you would think that an admin know what they're on about

[Public] i guess not

Here is my reply to your message:

1. "You A) Had no standing in the conversation as it was a staff matter to handle. So A You broke that rule. "  

- I checked the rules in the /spawn rules book and no where does it say that I cannot intervene in a staff matter. So ACTUALLY you're incorrect there.

2. "B) You basically said do X or I will do Y.. AKA a threat."

- I then went onto say that I will report you, and I have. You even said I can report you if I want? I also checked the rules and no where does it say that I cannot threaten staff? So I do not see what is wrong here.

3. "C) You were flat out sarcastic and rude so my ban message was correct."

- Once again, you're assuming that I was being sarcastic, how do you know I wasn't being serious?

> [Public] you would think that an admin know what they're on about

 > [Public] i guess not

There is no possible way to know if that was directed to you @Acediajc. I never mentioned your name in those messages therefore you're creating an assumption in your head that I was talking about you. ASSUMPTION:  Something that is accepted to be true, WITHOUT PROOF.

You're accepting that I was talking about you as the truth, even though I never mentioned your name once. Therefore you have no proof > therefore you cannot make a correct ban. But you did anyway, and that is called a false ban.

4. "D) You didn't even know the reason I took the weapon temporarily. You were just spamming about enchantments in a passive aggressive way against me with sarcastic clearly rhetorical comments."

- Firstly, you're assuming (again) that I don't know the reason you took the weapon. Just because I never stated that I didn't know the reason doesn't mean I don't know it.

- Secondly, I said you can enchant infinity twice, both separated from each other by multiple other different messages of mine > so let's get this idea of spam off the table.

- Thirdly, I said this: "lol u can enchant infinity"  & "you can enchang infinity."  I literally stated that you can enchant infinity, with no hostility involved > so let's get this idea that I was being passive aggressive off the table also.

- Fourthly, about the sarcastic clearly rhetorical comments. Once again, you're assuming that I was being sarcastic. I could have been talking seriously, but you don't know that?

5. "E) The item said from creative there for what was I to think?"

- You think: "Oh, that guy has a creative item, but how has he got it? I think I should ask somebody that knows more than I do about this matter first? If he says that he shouldn't have it, I should warn him and take it away from him. Then I should interrogate him as to how he acquired that item. Or if the item is allowed then I should happily get on with my day without any hassle or problems from the players."

Does the above not seem reasonable to you? @Acediajc

Or does this sound better?

"Oh, that guy has a creative item, but how has he got it? I don't know how he got it but I am going to take it away from him whilst in the middle of evilcastle that could cause him to die and lose his chance of beating the wither. I am then going to, after taking it from his inventory without a warning, ask somebody that knows more about it than I do as to whether he should have it or not? When he says that it's possible to have it without obtaining it from creative, I'll give it back to the player without even apologising that I messed up."

Hmm...

6. "F) I was going to let it go but you made the final shot at me and insulted me  after the situation was done which was the final stray."

- Where did I insult you? I never once called you a bad staff member or anything to that sort? Unless you're referring to this: 

> [Public] you would think that an admin know what they're on about

 > [Public] i guess not

I never once mentioned your name in that message and could have been talking about anything. You don't have proof that I was talking about you. You made an assumption.

Therefore, your statement about me insulting you is invalid.

7. G) Even now you make passive aggressive comments at the staff members "Maybe I have the incorrect mindset and maybe I need to come into these servers will a completely open mind, and be ready for anything. - I guess I have learnt something from this recent disappointment."

- Once again you're making an assumption that I was even talking about or to a staff member. If anything I was correcting myself? How is saying that I need to obtain a different mindset in any way insulting someone else? I was talking about myself in a statement that I made about myself.

If you're talking about when I said: "I guess I have learnt something from this recent disappointment." 

> that is in no way an insult. I never mentioned any staff members name in any of what you have quoted.

I think this is getting a bit too complicated for a 15 hour ban.

 It's also a Staff Member report.

I want Acediajc to see what I have said.

See kid there's this thing called common sense. Not everything is going to be written at spawn otherwise there would be a whole lot more signs. A lot of potential ones fall under basic catagories. I see this "It's not on the rule board so I can do it" excuse a lot but usually it's something that would fall under common sense. It should be common sense not to be rude and interject yourself into a staffs business in which you have nothing to do with. As for the assumption nonsense, what you had said came not long after the whole deal of you talking to Ace so unless you made some random comment ,which is unlikely, you were indeed talking to Ace. Since it's all text based we have full right to make educated assumptions, and we have full right to act on these as long as we can explain them to the other staff which Ace indeed did.

In majority the way you're speaking towards Ace is out of place for you and extremely rude, I suggest you fix that as well.

Thanks for your reply.

Nice to meet you OIWierdo.

> Seeing as we're talking about rules I suggest you add "Have common sense" to your rule book in spawn - quite obviously many people don't have it, so it puzzles me as to why, if you have heard this "excuse" so much before, you haven't taken up on it and actually done something about it? 

I can understand why he thinks that I'm being rude but he is still making an assumption, whether or not I said it after or before this whole ordeal.

However, I agree with you that interjecting myself into staff business is in most cases the wrong thing to do but you have to realise there are ways to to go about things. The procedure in which Acediajc took to inspect this item was incorrect and probably the way in which I went about it on the server could have been different. However, none of this would have even happened if he did it correctly?

Also, just wondering why I am banned from evilcastle? I'm guessing it's due to the fact that I was in evilcastle as this whole ordeal was going down, because I don't remember breaking any of the rules. @Acediajc or someone that knows.

First off, common sense is something that should be common. People at work, such as schools, can be given detentions, suspensions or expelled for not using it, even though it isn't in the rules anywhere.

Why should it be any different here?

Next up, what do you know about staff procedures for items that could have been taken from a creative player? Although they may have changed slightly since I was last told them, they were take first, ask second, and either return or delete last (depending on the outcome).

Finally, getting involved in staff matters anywhere (server, site or discord) is quite rude, no matter how you look at it. Would you like it if you were doing your job and I came up to you and said "That's wrong, that is actually blahblahblah."?

I doubt it, because the only people I know who do only take it from people called Teachers.

He did it the same as any of us would've in his situation. No offense but you don't know staff procedure on DMU so you can't assume to know how we run things. We haven't added "Use common sense" to the rule board because it should be common sense to use common sense. If you don't know that then you shouldn't be playing on our server. As for evilcastle, I know nothing about your ban, that's all on Ace. Since he built it he can ban anyone from it as he pleases. Ace now knows about the bug and gave the item back. There's no need to elongate this report any more because it's more likely than not that all he'll get is a "Be more careful next time" it anything at all.

I'm going to keep my post short because Wierdo and DHI in their staff based wisdom pretty much covered all I had to say.

You were rude you received a 15 minute ban. It could have also been a 15 minute mute / jail etc. I wasn't sure if I was going to be on the entire 15 minutes (which I ended up not being) so instead of leaving you perm muted while I was gone until I could release you you received the 15 minute ban which was set exactly.


If any of my superiors wish to speak with me on this or unlock the thread they are more than welcome to and I will listen to them and their decision on this matter however until or even if that point comes where any of my superiors feel the need to discipline me for this the facts are above and they are more than welcome to unlock this post and make a comment however both sides stated their sides so it is pretty much over.

-Acediajc


P.S Evilcastle is my creation and is self run and I don't want trouble makers there so while you can appeal your 15 minute ban you can't appeal a ban on evilcastle.